Wednesday, May 7, 2008

so where do we go from here?

tell you the truth, i was looking to indiana as a litmus test for barack--i figured if hillary won big there, it would mean there was sufficient concern among middle-american democrats about his viability, in light of all this most recent wright ugliness, to justify her staying in.

but she didn't--and, apparently, there's not.

will barack's association with rev. wright matter to voters at large in november? i thought it would, but now i'm not so sure; i guess we'll find out.

regardless, the democrats have made their choice, so it's time to put those questions aside.

and it's time for hillary to get out.

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Get out?

Well, we shall see if Hillary takes your advice guttermorality. I doubt she will.

It was a disappointing night for Hillary only because of the expectations game. If you were to say two weeks ago that she would win Indiana, that would have been a surprise as Obama was ahead in Indiana and way ahead in North Carolina.

So, in the crazy world of media punditry, Hillary lost last night despite winning the last of the true swing states in the race.

Everyone has an opinion, but some opinions are worth listening to. And then some, well, Chris Matthews for example, are just hot air bloviating away.

Does it look like Obama is going to be the nominee? Yes. But that has been true since mid-February. The dynamic really hasn't fundamentally changed.

Why should Hillary get out now? Obama now has enough damage that another hit would be potentially very devastating to his campaign. You will notice the Rev. Wright matter, part deux, was far more hurtful to Obama than the first dust-up.

That has always been the only way Hillary was going to win this since the current dynamic got cast (caste?) sometime during those 11 straight victories for Obama.

It is not likely to happen for Hillary. It could still happen. Who'd have thought that Governor Spitzer would be exiting the political stage so quickly and unceremoniously? Perhaps a few women all named Candy knew.

Two final comments, Hillary has stayed in so long, it appears, because she believes Obama is not tough enough and is not capable of managing the Fall campaign. She repeatedly told Bill Richardson that Obama can't win in the Fall.

I think Obama can win. I also think it would be a lot easier for Hillary to win. And the recent polls clearly bear this out. Particularly when you look at the cross-tabs and really get inside the polls.

In the meantime, MSNBC will be in high dungeon mode demanding Hillary get out because she is keeping Obama from his rightful nomination and all but calling her a racist for it (usually in very sexist terms).

Such is the state of what goes for political discourse in this country.

mkf said...

interesting points, noblesavage--perhaps we should explore these questions in a post.

Anonymous said...

Being a good campaigner is a different skill set from being good at governance.

Being able to run a national campaign these days, however, is actually running a big complex organization and it offers an example of governance.

Barack Obama is being most compared to W.'s campaign in 2000. He has run a campaign with an initial strategy and stuck to it with mostly success.

There are also different styles of campaigning and governance.

Obama has run a classic outsider's campaign (much like Bill Clinton in 1992). And Bill Clinton had a lot of problems in 1993 and 1994. It's not just that he was inexperienced, it was that he was all too human.

I don't know much about Obama, but I find it interesting how so many people prefer the person they don't know in Obama versus the person they do know in Clinton as if Obama has no faults or shadow or human frailty.

He has 'em. Trust me he has 'em. It's just we are not as readily familiar with all those things yet. They will show up and there will be all these supporters who are inevitably let down because they have put impossible dreams on this guy.

The other part about Obama's message is he is either naive or feckless when he talks about bringing people together.

There are divides in this country for a reason: Because we have very different visions of what it means to be an American and the goals we should pursue. Does Obama really think he is going to call John Boehner or Mitch McConnell and everyone will sing kumbaya and get along?

If he doesn't believe it, he is selling something to people in a cynical appeal to people's naive understandings of governance.

So, people are going to be "surprised" about Obama soon enough and disappointed if not "betrayed" by Obama soon enough.

He cannot deliver what he is selling. Even if he doesn't realize that. If he truly believes he can bring people together as no one else can, well, I'm not a psychologist, but it sounds like a messiah complex.